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May 17, 2022

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anon

And, let's not forget to look at attrition rates.

Let's look, for example, at the GOLDEN GATE UNIVERSITY - 2021 Standard 509 Information Report, at Academic Attrition 2020-2021, JD1, Black or African American, %: 33.3!

(David, this seems like the report must be in error or perhaps I am reading the report wrong? It just can't be this stunning a result.)

David, does such a result, if accurate, support a claim, if GGU were to make such a claim, that the law school is affording an "opportunity" to attend law school that is not otherwise afforded by other reputable law schools in the Bay Area?

Given the combination of the attrition rates and bar passage rates, how should regulators observe the sort of "opportunity" afforded here?

Specifically, should any law school be permitted to collect tuition where students' "opportunity" provided is assessed objectively in these terms? Is not discontinuing eligibility for federally backed student loans really the LEAST a true regulator would suggest?

And, as I've asked in the past, can you please comment on how the ABA should evaluate a law school that was previously found to be so far out of compliance that probation was imposed (i.e., a second offender)?

PaulB

Given that the ABA now says that a standardized test should not be required for law school admission, why not go the next step and say that requiring a bar exam to practice law is racist due to disparate impact on underrepresented minorities? That'll solve all your problems.

David Frakt

Anon - Re: Golden Gate Black/African American academic attrition. You are correct that 3 of 9 African American 1L students were subject to academic attrition in 2020-1. These numbers are so small that I don't think we can draw any major conclusions from them. I note that only 7 African American students matriculated in this year's class out of a class of 150. However, Golden Gate does admit large numbers of minority students overall - 80 out of 138 students that provided information about their race were designated as "People of Color".

Law schools at the bottom of the pecking order always struggle to get qualified African American students because higher ranking schools practicing affirmative action will admit, and in many cases, offer significant scholarships to, African American students with credentials in the range that lower ranking schools are trying to attract.

Because virtually all law schools admit African American, Hispanic, American Indian, Alaskan Native and Pacific Islanders with lower entrance credentials than White and Asian students, attrition rates are typically much higher for these minority groups than for White and Asian students. Bar passage rates are also typically much lower. (see my next comment) And please don't call me a racist for simply stating facts. I am not suggesting that members of ethnic or racial minority groups are any less capable. I am simply noting that lower academic credentials lead to higher attrition rates and lower bar passage rates. Minority students with good academic credentials tend to do just fine.

David Frakt

I am very concerned about the misguided effort to remove standardized tests from the law school admissions process. You are quite right to note that bar passage rates for several minority groups are routinely lower than they are for White bar takers. If you look at this year's bar passage statistics from the ABA broken down by race https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/legal_education_and_admissions_to_the_bar/statistics/2022/2022-bpq-national-summary-data-race-ethnicity-gender-fin.pdf you will find that white students in 2021 had a first time bar pass rate of 85% while Black students were at 61%, Hispanic students at 72%, Asian students at 79%, Native American at 70% and Hawaiian at 47%. For Ultimate Bar Passage from 2019, White Students were at 94%, Black students at 81%, Hispanic students at 87%, Asian Students at 89%, Native American at 89% and Hawaiian at 83%. For first time takers in 2020, White students were at 88%, Black students at 66%, Hispanic students at 76%, Asian students at 80%, and Native American and Hawaiian at 78%. For UBP from 2018, White Students were at 93%, Black students at 79%, Hispanic at 84%, Asian at 88%, Native American at 86% and Hawaiian at 71%. (Note - the small numbers of Native American and Hawaiian students lead to significant swings in the percentages from year to year)

anon

David

The point is this: don't call yourself an "opportunity" school if "These numbers are so small that I don't think we can draw any major conclusions from them. I note that only 7 African American students matriculated in this year's class out of a class of 150."

We could spend some time on your "people of color" claims, but, the point is made.

With respect to the other issues raised you have, once again, ignored the relevance of a history of probation.

Because it takes so long for the ABA to take any action, have you no view of the weight that should be assigned to the fact that a law school has repeatedly been subject to this sort of quandry?

How many lives have been burdened with debt, occasioned by enticement to attend this law school while the ABA delays?

What conclusions should we draw from the fact that you have pointed out, in the past, that GGU has admitted classes that, if I am reading your posts correctly, according to your predictive measures, should have done better? Can you never draw any conclusions about the performance of a faculty; a shuffling of Deans who make promises to do better; a strong record of repeated failures?

Finally, are there not enough law schools in California to provide "opportunity"? You have answered this question: "higher ranking schools practicing affirmative action will admit, and in many cases, offer significant scholarships to, African American students with credentials in the range that lower ranking schools are trying to attract."

That's correct, David. Golden Gate University School of Law offers no "opportunity" that isn't available elsewhere: at a much lower risk.

People quibble about the relevance of the bar exam, but here is the bottom line: No pass, no practice. Take a look at the tuition GGU charges. Take a look at its website, and what it promises.

If the ABA has rules about all this, for what purpose? To pretend it is an "accreditation" agency?

David Frakt

I have called for the ABA to "take firm and decisive action against Western Michigan and Golden Gate for their persistent non-compliance." I advocated for an 85% Ultimate Bar Pass Standard and I still think that is where it should be. Given how lenient Standard 316 is, I certainly believe the Standard should be rigorously enforced. It does seem that Golden Gate is underperforming compared to some other schools which admit students with similar entrance credentials, but since I have no personal knowledge about the school, I am not going to speculate on the reasons for their underperformance. I agree that repeat failures to meet multiple standards would be an aggravating factor in considering appropriate sanctions.

anon

Thank you David.

It would appear to be reasonable that "three strikes" would be inappropriate for these types of violations.

In other words, let's consider hypothetical Law School. Law School goes on ABA probation. By way of certain "means" (that should be examined in detail) it manages to get itself off of that probation.

Then, Law School, within a relatively brief time, once again fails to meet even the "lenient ABA standard" as you describe it.

Suppose that Law School shuffles thru Deans, who promise to do better, and again utilizes "means" to scrape by, only to fall back into noncompliance when the heat appears to be off?

How many decades of this should the ABA approve? Again, for how long should the consequences on the many lives affected by borrowing money to pay tuition for the "opportunity" to attend a failing and failed institution of higher learning be disregarded?

What credence should be given to Law School, if it advances an argument that it is a "opportunity" law school, under these circumstances? What if the numbers don't lie?

Suppose there are more than enough opportunities to attend law schools in the same area that are not "underperforming compared to some other schools which admit students with similar entrance credentials" that actually admit students in need of special opportunity regularly and with far more promise of success?

What if Law School's actual contribution to
"opportunity" is de minimus, especially when compared with the consequences to some young people induced to go into debt to attend that law school?

Should Law School be allowed to maintain a web site that makes bold and brash claims about its greatness, under these circumstances?

Should the ABA be disempowered to hold so much sway over the control of federal student loan eligibility if its oversight is meaningless and without any effect? It is far past the point that the DOE should step in to examine the ABA oversight role.

anon

Reading the comments above, I just have one more question: David, are you aware of GGU's record of ABA "sanctions" (e.g., probation)? You say above:

"I agree that repeat failures to meet multiple standards would be an aggravating factor in considering appropriate sanctions."

That statement really is a bit vague, as it could be intended to refer to the present circumstances only.

As one who so assiduously follows these matters and comments so frequently thereon, it seems fair to ask this question, because I don't recall, in the many many threads and comments you have posted, that you have demonstrated awareness of the history of GGU and the ABA (this century, btw).

Please feel free to insult me and question my motives for asking, but I think this is a fair question, as I have asked you many times to answer it. GGU is a special case, IMHO, because of its record, and it is important, it seems to me, to make note of it, rather than ignoring it or minimizing its importance.

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