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March 08, 2018

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Scott Fruehwald

Excellent analysis of cognitive biases. I hope you enjoy reading my book.

Litowitz

Good post. I am always amazed at the cognitive error which takes place when these events happen with unerring regularity but the reaction is always, "It was so unpredictable." "Who would have thought it could happen here?"

Actually it is a virtual certainty that it will happen again, and again, and again. While the police are out looking for the 'real killer' maybe they should ask why these things don't happen in Japan and Hong Kong -- and then look for the 'real killer' in the social conditions of this country.

anon

So ironic: a comment on a post about cognitive bias suggests that the US ranks high in the world for murders.

See, UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants).

The US is 96th.

Murder rates by firearms?

US is 17th, and some major populations, like China's, were not included.

The US does have an alarming suicide rate: white males being particularly vulnerable. Every ask yourself the reason?

Of course not. Bias doesn't permit truth for the true believers.

Oh, and, if anyone has the slightest interest, check out the countries where the murder/gun violence actually is the worst.

Patrick S. O'Donnell

Americans are 10 times more likely to be killed by guns than people in other developed countries, a new study finds. Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the United States' gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher. And, even though the United States' suicide rate is similar to other countries, the nation's gun-related suicide rate is eight times higher than other high-income countries, researchers said. The study was published online Feb. 1 in The American Journal of Medicine.

"Overall, our results show that the U.S., which has the most firearms per capita in the world, suffers disproportionately from firearms compared with other high-income countries," said study author Erin Grinshteyn, an assistant professor at the School of Community Health Science at the University of Nevada-Reno. "These results are consistent with the hypothesis that our firearms are killing us rather than protecting us," she said in a journal news release.

The review of 2010 World Health Organization data also revealed that despite having a similar rate of nonlethal crimes as those countries, the United States has a much higher rate of deadly violence, mostly due to the higher rate of gun-related murders. The researchers also found that compared to people in the other high-income nations, Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun. "More than two-thirds of the homicides in the U.S. are firearm homicides and studies have suggested that the non-gun homicide rate in the U.S. may be high because the gun homicide rate is high," Grinshteyn said. "For example, offenders take into account the threat posed by their adversaries. Individuals are more likely to have lethal intent if they anticipate that their adversaries will be armed," she explained.

Even though it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the United States accounted for 82 percent of all gun deaths. The United States also accounted for 90 percent of all women killed by guns, the study found. Ninety-one percent of children under 14 who died by gun violence were in the United States. And 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed by guns were in the United States, the study found.

Murder is the second leading cause of death among Americans aged 15 to 24, the study found. The research also showed that murder was the third leading cause of death among those aged 25-34. Compared to those in the same age groups in other wealthy countries, Americans aged 15-24 are 49 times more likely to be the victim of a gun-related murder. For those aged 25-34, that number is 32 times more likely, the research revealed.

The researchers also point out that numerous studies suggest that reduced access to guns would lower the suicide rate in the United States. "Differences in overall suicide rates across cities, states and regions in the United States are best explained not by differences in mental health, suicide ideation, or even suicide attempts, but by availability of firearms," said study co-author David Hemenway, professor of health policy at Harvard University's School of Public Health, and director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center, all in Boston. "Many suicides are impulsive, and the urge to die fades away. Firearms are a swift and lethal method of suicide with a high case-fatality rate," he noted in the news release.


Patrick S. O'Donnell

The above is by By Robert Preid for CBS News. As was noted on an NPR post summarizing the global statistics, "It is a little surprising that a country like ours should have this level of gun violence," says Ali Mokdad, a professor of global health and epidemiology at the IHME. "If you compare us to other well-off countries, we really stand out."

anon

The stats I posted above are cited from the UNODC, an agency established to assist the UN "in better addressing a coordinated, comprehensive response to the interrelated issues of illicit trafficking in and abuse of drugs, crime prevention and criminal justice, international terrorism, and political corruption."

The UNODC employs "between 1,500 and 2,000 people worldwide, has its headquarters in Vienna (Austria), with 21 field offices and two liaison offices in Brussels and in New York City. The United Nations Secretary-General appoints the agency's Executive Director."

Now, rather than just cutting and pasting something from a CBS News report (that really cherry picks stats to make a point), tell us the reason the UNODC numbers cited above are flawed or untrue. There is no reason to believe that.

And, as usual, there is no relationship between the rebuttal and the claim putatively refuted. The comment above "maybe they should ask why these things don't happen in Japan and Hong Kong -- and then look for the 'real killer' in the social conditions of this country." was addressed by the fact that "these things" do happen in other countries: and, at a greater rate at that.

Patrick S. O'Donnell

The studies conducted by the relevant institutions as summarized in the report were not invoked so as to "tell us the reason the UNODC numbers cited above are flawed or untrue," and it's rather stunning that one would draw such an inference, as that is not in any way implied or claimed in what was provided. Rather, it demonstrates the appropriate scheme of comparison, that is, with other fairly affluent nation-states more or less similar to ours in relevant respects: legal regime, development, welfare and well-being, etc., etc. And as the U.S. is an outlier with regard to gun ownership and gun violence, it suggests rather starkly that we need not live and die with gun violence, that other countries have well demonstrated how it is possible to avoid this sort of violence that plagues our country (and that does not mean 'throwing out' the Second Amendment, although it wouldn't hurt if its second clause was properly interpreted in light of the first clause, in which case individual gun ownership is not a constitutional right, given that we have all manner of 'well regulated militias' at both the state and federal levels), in other words, there is much we can and should learn from these countries as to how to avoid gun violence.

anon

PTSOD

You want to debate the "gun: issue (with all tired tropes).

That wasn't the issue to which I responded.

And, as usual, there is no relationship between the rebuttal and the claim putatively refuted. The comment above "maybe they should ask why these things don't happen in Japan and Hong Kong -- and then look for the 'real killer' in the social conditions of this country." was addressed by the fact that "these things" do happen in other countries: and, at a greater rate at that.

As for your knee-jerk recital of stats on "gun violence" (now drifting into a reinterpretation of the Second Amendment!) suffice it to say, that is a different debate. At least you concede that, if we compare the US only to the safest countries in the world, we can get skewed results about the rate of crime and violence.

ANd, again, I would invite those who think "it doesn't happen in other countries" to leave behind all their biases, and start thinking about the truth (e.g., check out the countries where the murder/gun violence actually is the worst and think about your stance in more comprehensive terms).

Patrick S. O'Donnell

anon,
The exquisite exhibition of coherence and logic exemplified in your reply has cowed me into silence: ‘tis a shame we don’t know the source of such brilliance.

anon

Right. But, is there a reading list?

Deep State Special Legal Counsel

From a Fourth Amendment analysis and exigent circumstances, the officers acted reasonably at the time. Domestic Violence is probably the biggest issue/crime that police/prosecutors/courts and us criminal defense lawyers deal with on a daily basis.

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