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June 18, 2015

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SteveJ

Couldn't you claim that Alito is somewhat circular here? The government department in question does not want it's imprimatur on political messages. They would not be particularly concerned about the examples Alito gives precisely because they are benign novelty slogans.

In other words, the department used a variation of the test Alito proposes.

And what is the motivation to put a political issue, as opposed to a novelty slogan on your license plate? Is the motivation the same? Is it not the case that the politically charged group thinks it can create an aura of legitimacy with its message on property associated with the government?

Exactly what is so worrisome about using a bumper sticker as opposed to your license plate unless you want that extra legitimacy.

Government departments, with the exception of Obama's IRS, are somewhat sensitive to having their departments linked with political campaigns, proposals, and politically charged issues. Unless things have changed, you are not supposed to where campaign buttons or show endorsements for various political parties at your place of work when you work for a government department. Is Alito prepared to wipe these restrictions away as well?

anon

SteveJ

The Hatch Act is an entirely different issue.

Are we supposed to rely on the State of Texas to decide what is a "benign novelty slogans"? Is that the standard the "department" used? The court? Really?

Is that an analysis as a matter of constitutional law, or just musing?

SteveJ

Doesn't Alito aver to such a standard with his test? He runs through a list of benign novelty slogans and then asks .. Would you really think that the sentiments reflected in these specialty plates are the views of the State of Texas?

As for your question on the reliance of a government department to decide what is a benign novelty slogan and what is not, government departments do that all the time when making judgments about the Hatch Act. Can a government employee have this or that on his desk. Is this picture acceptable in our lobby and so forth.

AGR

If I saw those plates I may not think that Texas was enthusiastic about the messages. I would note, however, that the state had seen it and made the judgment that the message passed a certain level of acceptability. Can you put any and every message you want on license plates in Texas? I just attended a fascinating workshop about consumer's misperceptions of government regulations-- they tend to think that products must be safe and that they are as advertised because surely they would not be allowed to present products that were problematic because "the law" -- that is to say government-- would have intervened to stop it. People do tend to think that the government is rendering judgments even when they are not.

anon

Here's where I think you are going wrong: "In other words, the department used a variation of the test Alito proposes."

No, it helps to read the opinion, not just a blog post, before you attack it.

"Pressed to come up with any evidence that the State has exercised “selective receptivity,” Texas (and the Court) rely primarily on sketchy information not contained in the record, ..."

"[T]he Board’s predecessor (might have) rejected a “pro-life” plate and perhaps others on the ground that they contained messages that were offensive. ... But even if this happened, it shows only that the present case may not be the only one in which the State has exercised viewpoint discrimination. Texas’s only other (also extrarecord) evidence of selectivity concerns a proposed plate that was thought to create a threat to the fair enforcement of the State’s motor vehicle laws."

"[M]ost of the time, the Board “base[d] [its] decisions on rules that primarily deal with reflectivity and readability.”

"What Texas has done by selling space on its license plates is to create what we have called a limited public forum. It has allowed state property (i.e., motor vehicle license plates) to be used by private speakers according to rules that the State prescribes. Cf. Good News Club v. Milford Central School, 533 U. S. 98, 106–107 (2001). Under the First Amendment, however, those rules cannot discriminate on the basis of viewpoint."

How did the department use a variation of the rule Alito proposed?

As for the Hatch Act, precisely the opposite is the case and the government doesn't make "judgments" about its application.

SteveJ

I appreciate the responses Anon.

My problem here is with the Alito paragraph, quoted in the above article, that ends with Alito himself asking: "Would you really think that the sentiments reflected in these specialty plates are the views of the State of Texas?"

If you wish to claim that Alito wrote a paragraph tangential to the matter at hand, then you should make that claim.

Even if Alito's claim is tangential, he wrote it, and I am free to call him on it without the claim of being specious.

I think Alito asked the question because he knows why the department did what it did even if it doesn't want to say it directly. The bar for calling the Alito paragraph into question is quite low. I need only come up with 2 examples with different answers. Here they are:

Example 1:

A reasonable person from Ohio (to help with the possibility for misunderstanding, we'll make it out of state -- although I am not sure this is necessary since a fellow Texan could just as easily get the wrong idea) is walking towards his car in a parking lot. As he's walking by, he sees an out of state Texas car. He notices Texas at the top of the plate and the Confederate flag middle left. He may or may not notice Sons of Confederate soldiers at the bottom. (If he does, so what?) Is it really so off the wall for an idea to enter the back of this person's mind: "Gee whiz, I thought only South Carolina endorsed that thing."

Answer: I'm not sure that is an off-the-wall observation. I suppose a conscientious person might do a google search at some point. Then again, he may not.

Example 2:

The same reasonable person from Ohio is walking to his car an notices an out of state car from Texas. He sees Texas at the top of the plate, and a yellow block M to the middle left. (A U of Michigan grad now living in Texas.) Is it off the wall for an idea to enter the back of this person's mind that the State of Texas cheers for Michigan over Ohio State?

Answer: Yes it is. That would be absurd.

Two examples. Different answers.

The Alito paragraph appears wanting. My questions and concerns cover nothing else.

anon

SteveJ

Now, onto your self-described only point: "the Alito paragraph."

Without reading the opinion, we can't put that paragraph into context. The question was whether the First Amendment would apply to State of Texas speech. Alito took issue with the majority as follows:

"The Court says that all of these messages are government speech. It is essential that government be able to express its own viewpoint, the Court reminds us, because otherwise, how would it promote its programs, like recycling and vaccinations? ...

The Court believes that messages on privately created plates are government speech because motorists want a seal of state approval for their messages and therefore prefer plates over bumper stickers. Ante, at 10–11. This is dangerous reasoning. There is a big difference between government speech (that is, speech by the government in furtherance of its programs) and governmental blessing (or condemnation) of private speech."

You may quibble with the examples Alito chose. But the reasoning, on a constitutional level, was necessary to a logical analysis, which begins by properly differentiating government from private speech. Alito favored the latter analysis here. If you disagree, so be it, but his point was that the State of Texas created a limited public forum on its license plates.

Mercifully, you have now abandoned your argument that "the department used a variation of the test Alito proposes."

Now, you say your point is limited to "The Alito paragraph appears wanting." Ok, out of context, you disagree with Alito, and claim that viewers would interpret a license plate as an endorsement by the State of Texas of the private message thereon.

Fair enough. At least, we now know that this disagreement does not address this conclusion:

"What Texas has done by selling space on its license plates is to create what we have called a limited public forum. It has allowed state property (i.e., motor vehicle license plates) to be used by private speakers according to rules that the State prescribes. Cf. Good News Club v. Milford Central School, 533 U. S. 98, 106–107 (2001). Under the First Amendment, however, those rules cannot discriminate on the basis of viewpoint."

If you contend that the State of Texas is engaging in viewpoint discrimination now, then you must take on the rest of the analysis.


SteveJ

No, I had some questions and concerns limited in scope. I appreciate the additional info in your comments.

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