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December 29, 2014

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Barry

A few comments - first, IIRC a local paper FOIA'ed some e-mails, and there was an awful lot of donor communication going on awful fast. Considering the fact that this raised first amendment issues, I'm not surprised that the committee was unable to find such stuff.

Second, there is a clear standard for 'civility', 'fitness' and such like, which we can find in the legal professoriate. Advocacy of torture counts as civil, fit and professional.

The minute that John Yoo is fired from Berkeley for his crimes, the legal professoriate will have grounds to speak.

anon

It seems to me that the legal analysis to date has missed the mark. Most of this misplaced thinking turns on promissory estoppel, which is not even an issue here, IMHO.

`1. "You're hired if the Univ approves"

No contract; no reasonable reliance; no nothing. This is equivalent to the car salesman saying "I'm in agreement; 'll check with my manager." Does anyone think they have the deal at that point?

2. "You're hired, but Univ approval is a condition precedent"

Probable conclusion: promise to submit the appointment with dept recommendation to Univ (consideration?); implied in law obligation for Univ to act reasonably upon it, based on its agent's conduct (e.g., timely review, possibly "fair" review, recognizing bus jud rule)

3. "You're hired, but Univ disapproval is a condition subsequent"

Contract formed; probably same implied in law promises, with a stronger presumption that disapproval will not occur absent extraordinary circumstances

It seems to me that it is one, possibly two, but two would be a stretch.

Most seem to think it is three, or possibly think that the Univ wasn't expected to consider the appointment at all. Neither analysis is plausible.

If it is one or two, the case should be dismissed. No way to find that the Univ did not reasonably exercise judgment here about an appointment.

ANd, for all those who think that every applicant for an academic position has "academic freedom" vis a vis the hirer, before the applicant is appointed, one suggests going to law school and learning about contracts.

Barry

Anon, IANAL, but 'No contract; no reasonable reliance; no nothing. This is equivalent to the car salesman saying "I'm in agreement; 'll check with my manager." Does anyone think they have the deal at that point?'

Is clearly wrong, since this is the norm in the academic world. The university's position is that Professor Salaita would have been performing his duties, being paid, and making decisions which would affect students, *before* he was hired.

anon

Barry, so, not a lawyer, but are you a law professor who is knowledgeable about the "academic world" - in particular, this one?

Upon what do you base your statement that "the University's position is that Professor Salaita would have been performing his duties, being paid, and making decisions which would affect students, *before* he was hired."

Cite please.

Barry

Because the regents' meeting was after he was to have started.

Go read for yourself.

anon

Ok. I see. You say he "would have" started doing these things, but he didn't actually start doing these things.

Therefore, you say, the University's position is that he was "hired" because he would have done these things before he was "hired," but for the decision not to hire him, which was made after he would have done these things if he had been hired.

Obviously, Barry, although clearly interested in this site, UARNAL, nor a legal academic, apparently. I must therefore concede that you must believe in good faith that these assertions make perfect sense. Be assured, however, that your assertion that others are "clearly wrong," based on the above, would not pass muster in court, and might actually lead to sanctions.

Adam

Anon,

I like your style, and have little sympathy for Salaita. But "little" isn't quite the same as "none at all".

At bottom is the ludicrous hiring process in place at universities. A professorial appointment is an important one, sure, but
I cannot for the life of me understand what role university boards should play here. (I'm glad they did here, but this case is so spectacularly unusual, it's not much of a justification for the current practice). There is simply no reason for the hiring process to extend over the many months it took here. And in the vast majority of cases, subsequent approval really is a rubber stamp. That's why - despite my appreciation of your felicitous phrasing in your last comment - I'm not at all surprised that in the ordinary course of things, confirmation of his appointment would have occurred after the academic year began (admittedly, this is a bit extreme, but I have seen examples not much less extreme, without drama).

There is an issue of reliance here, which in my view would justify some limited compensation to Salaita.

anon

Adam

I understand and agree with your comment, to the extent I read it to say that, if the applicant had started performing, and was being paid, then the contract would have been formed, and the disapproval then would have been, at most, a condition subsequent subject to a whole bunch of legal protections for the applicant.

This seems to me to be common; performance commences before the formal contract is executed, and a contract is deemed to have been formed and part performance fills in for lack of the formal elements of a contract and other arguments about lack of essential terms and conditions.

What is so striking here is that, apparently, after the time the applicant WOULD HAVE started, he didn't start. Instead, the decision not to appoint preceded any performance. This sort of destroys the argument that a contract was formed.

Hence, I would conclude that the legal situation is as stated in alternative one above: no contract, no reasonable reliance.

One cannot reasonably rely on the contemplated and expected assent of the other party, before that assent is actually provided, to argue as contract was formed, if such assent is a condition to the formation of the contract and no performance by the one relying takes it to another level.

Promissory estoppel, an equitable remedy, is based on reasonable reliance on a promise for which there was no consideration in the classic sense. This doctrine would have no application to these facts, as I understand them, because employment was not promised; what was promised, it seems, at most, was referral to the decision maker with a recommendation of approval of a contract.

That is, in law, basically of no significance.

Again, if the applicant undertook actually performance and was paid, my view would be different, though I would not therefore conclude a appointment (or damages for lack thereof) is the remedy for disapproval by the University.

This applicant has no case, IMHO, and, because it is a case so fraught with the views of the applicant causing the failure to appoint, I for one would very much encourage the applicant to sue, because I hope and expect to see those views aired in court!

Barry

Anon: "Ok. I see. You say he "would have" started doing these things, but he didn't actually start doing these things."

That is the standard which the university (and most others).

"Therefore, you say, the University's position is that he was "hired" because he would have done these things before he was "hired," but for the decision not to hire him, which was made after he would have done these things if he had been hired. "

Well, your english is so garbled that there's no there there. Please have a friend re-read what I wrote.

As for my legal background and judgement, it's rich for somebody unwilling to even adopt a pseudonym have a problem with that.

Barry

Anon: "This seems to me to be common; performance commences before the formal contract is executed, and a contract is deemed to have been formed and part performance fills in for lack of the formal elements of a contract and other arguments about lack of essential terms and conditions.

What is so striking here is that, apparently, after the time the applicant WOULD HAVE started, he didn't start. Instead, the decision not to appoint preceded any performance. This sort of destroys the argument that a contract was formed."

This is where I'll admit that IANAL, but I do know there are legal issues as to actions taken by one party. Professor Salaita resigned a position in quite reasonable and standard expectation of a position, and I'll wager that it's been a looooooooooooooong time since this university reneged on a senior faculty hiring after that person resigned.

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