Is it fair to infer that Justice Clarence Thomas (unlike his 8 colleagues on the Court) views the Supreme Court's notorious decision in Korematsu v. United States as good law? That's the question that Mark Kende and Ilya Somin have been debating. I put my two cents in here yesterday. Somin has now replied to me.
The discussion has gotten needlessly convoluted, so I'd like to simplify it.
Here's what we know. The two Japanese American cases of WWII that addressed constitutional questions -- Korematsu (upholding mass race-based removal from the West Coast) and Hirabayashi (upholding a mass race-based curfew) have become, as it were, radioactive. One doesn't cite them in polite company for anything other than the abstract legal principle (from Korematsu) that courts must strictly scrutinize facially racial laws and executive actions. One doesn't cite them for their application of law to facts, and one doesn't cite them in support of deference to the executive branch's account of the facts supporting race-based action.
Those are the facets of the decisions that were, to pretty much everyone's eyes today, horribly mistaken -- instances of the Court itself getting swept up in the hysteria and (as Justice Murphy courageously said at the time) racism that had gripped the political branches. The historiography (including my own contribution) has very clearly demonstrated that in both Korematsu and Hirabayashi, the Supreme Court grounded its assessment of the internal risks posed by Japanese Americans and the external risks posed by the Japanese military on a pack of lies.
But here's the rub: in his Hamdi dissent, Justice Thomas approvingly cited (one might even say "resurrected") the Hirabayashi decision not for any abstract principle about the rigors of scrutiny of race-based action, but for the proposition that the courts must defer to the "President’s determination of all the factual predicates necessary to conclude that a given action is appropriate." That's a radioactive part.
I think it reasonable to infer from this (and remember, we're talking about inferences here -- we're just reading tea leaves) that Justice Thomas does not believe Hirabayashi was wrongly decided, or that the Court erred in that case in accepting the Executive's claim that the military situation rendered a racial curfew necessary to protect the country's security.
If I'm right about that, then the Somin-Kende debate just devolves to the question of whether Justice Thomas would see the Korematsu case differently. Would he, in other words, see a legally consequential distinction between the forcible removal of US citizens from their homes in a military zone on the basis of their race (the issue in Korematsu) and the forcible confinement of US citizens to their homes in a military zone on the basis of their race (the issue in Hirabayashi)?
I don't pretend to know the answer to that question. Happily, I don't think it matters very much. These cases are radioactive for Justice Thomas's eight sitting colleagues, and the historiography does not promise a rehabilitation of either decision anytime soon -- or ever. Lower courts overturned the convictions in Korematsu and Hirabayashi in the 1980s, at around the same time as the Congress and the (conservative) President condemned and apologized for the entire program of racial removal and confinement deployed against Japanese and Japanese Americans. That's enough to give me comfort that Korematsu is dead, whatever Justice Thomas might think.
Eric, I share your confidence that Hirabayashi is disfavored, but I also think that if an equivalent situation arose today the case would still be something like 9-0 for the government. The good news is that no minority in the U.S. is treated the way the Japanese were at the time, so no equivalent situation could arise (i.e., the majority opinion in Hirabayashi pointed out that the Japanese had been treated atrociously by Americans, and therefore it wouldn't be surprising if some of them resented their treatment enough to sympathize with the "wrong side" of the war). Nor is the U.S. likely to face the sort of mortal threat it seemed to be facing in the early '40s. Plus it's hard to imagine any president with the popularity and authority of wartime FDR. But I don't think we should kid ourselves that the Supreme Court would come to the rescue today under similar circumstances. Heck, compare Hamdi (popular president, threat seems very real and imminent after 9/11) to Bouemediene (unpopular president, threat has receded) to see that outside factors play more of a role in how willing courts are to challenge president's national security initiatives than does doctrine.
Posted by: David Bernstein | November 03, 2014 at 09:43 AM
Really, David? Let's say that a couple of American citizens of Syrian ancestry, both Muslims, were to blow themselves up in shopping malls in different spots in the USA at around the same moment. And let's say that the President responded by ordering all people of Syrian ancestry in the United States, including American citizens, to stay in their homes and leave only with the permission of law enforcement. You really think that the Court would uphold the constitutionality of that order? And do so by a 9-0 vote?
Posted by: Eric Muller | November 03, 2014 at 10:32 AM
I meant to say that the President responded by ordering all Muslims of Syrian ancestry in the United States confined to their homes.
Posted by: Eric Muller | November 03, 2014 at 10:34 AM
Have Syrian people been denied citizenship, and of the right to own property? Is the president at the time receiving approval ratings of 90% +? Is there a real threat to the United States as an entity, as opposed to sporadic terrorism?
Let's say instead that a very popular president gets a very credible threat that Islamist terrorists had an atomic device and were going to explode it in a major American city. One Friday morning, the FBI sweeps mosques known to have radical imam, arrests all the occupants, and proceeds to question them without warrant or counsel present, and plans to hold all the individuals until either they have been cleared of any possible involvement or the threat has been neutralized. I don't think you'd have an easy time finding five votes to get everyone released immediately and unconditionally. Do you?
My point is that the precise situation of Korematsu and Hirabayashi won't recur, but in some other, new emergency circumstance, the Court will still defer to the president. The big difference, I think, is that having been burned in K and H by trusting the government when the government wasn't being truthful, the Justices would likely demand much greater proof, including looking at classified documents, before deferring.
Posted by: David Bernstein | November 03, 2014 at 12:31 PM
So, I guess that means I disagree with Thomas; I don't think there will be great deference to the president's claim of a real national security emergency. I do think once the emergency is shown, there will be significant deference to how the president handles that emergency. Compare Youngstown, where there was no real emergency, so there was no deference.
Posted by: David Bernstein | November 03, 2014 at 12:41 PM
THe movie, "The Siege" explored these issues before 2001.
The plot was very prescient and answers to many of the questions here were posed, using a likely scenario, though the ending, of course, was pure fiction (a hero arose to defy authority and vindicate human rights).
Posted by: anon | November 03, 2014 at 06:10 PM
I was always of the opinion that Justice Thomas cited Hirabayashi and Korematsu to troll law professors. And this discussion, which has gone on for over two weeks across three blogs, has certainly confirmed that belief.
Posted by: Guest | November 03, 2014 at 08:30 PM
So very sorry, Guest, for forcing you to read the results of Justice Thomas's trolling.
Posted by: Eric Muller | November 03, 2014 at 08:52 PM
Why was my comment removed? IMHO, it was an accurate statement of what Thomas' view would mean if it were the majority view.
Posted by: Barry | November 05, 2014 at 11:03 AM
D'oh!
I apologize; I was on the wrong thread.
Posted by: Barry | November 06, 2014 at 12:14 PM