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November 13, 2014


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confused by your post

Just saying,

"IF a school had substantial issues with all of these -- in alarming numbers, as you state, it would have problems."

This is clearly not the case, which is precisely the problem. There are no "adults in the room" to stop this. If you want statistics, look at the schools' 509 reports which are required to be posted on the schools' websites.
Some numbers taken from FCSL's 2013 509 report:
Student attrition rate for 1L's: 28.6%
Student's transferring out: 97

FCSL Student Handbook (available on the school's site) spells out flunking standards along with a mandatory course grade distributions:

1L courses must award 15-25% of students C-,D+,D or F
upper level courses must award 5-15% of students C-,D+,D or F

FCSL's dismal 2014 bar pass rate's have been discussed to death here and on other sites recently.

As for employment numbers, look at Law School Transparency's website. He's some of FCSL's numbers for 2013:
Nonemployed: 37.9%
LST's Employment Score: 29.5%
30.8% of graduates were known to be employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs. This figure includes no school-funded jobs.

As an additional bonus. FCSL's website is required to list the schools numbers with respect to yanking conditional scholarships. Latest numbers available:
# of conditional scholarships:286
# of scholarships eliminate/reduced: 95

I recommend you do some research on Infilaw and draw your own conclusions. I do not see how anyone who is being honest does not find these numbers alarming.


This is an interesting discussion. There is a problem with the "ultimate pass rate" statistic which is the following. The longer you take to pass the bar, and start practicing, the less likely you are to have a successful entry into the legal profession. Granted, this comes from my personal experience of passing the bar, on the third try, but employers hiring entry level lawyers generally want to hire someone newly out of law school rather then someone who is from several classes back. The large law firms who will hire out of law school, and then keep a law graduate employed even if they failed the bar one or more times, are also unlikely to start shopping for associates at T3 and T4 schools.

Of course you can go solo once you pass, which is what I did, but it's very much a stuggle, especially with the current lawyer glut. I would not recommend to any lawyer coming out of law school to start as a solo because they will not have their own "book" of business. The successful ones will build a practice after many lean years, but others will like many small businesses, fail and have to close shop.

Word to the wise for 0ls, if a law school starts talking about its ultimate as verses its first time pass rate, you should try to get into a better school. If you can't get into a better school perhaps you should rethink whether to go to law school, because the majority of law schools are unwilling to "bet" on your success.

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