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March 14, 2011


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Rick Garnett

I'm surprised -- but, maybe I should not be -- that (if I understand the memo correctly) it counts against a law school's employment statistics that graduates are (a) in a graduate program or (b) choosing not to work at all. What am I missing? Why (except for "irrationality") would the rankings treat graduates working as, say, architects differently than graduates pursuing a Ph.D. in English Literature?


I like the decision to divide the number of employed graduates with the size of the graduating class. Yes, you omit graduates who are not looking for work but this should more-or-less balance out among the schools. All schools are going to have some students who do not look for work or pursue further graduate school. There may be a few outliers -- Yale is going to have more grads getting Ph.D.'s, some religious schools may have more women graduates who leave the work force and stay home with families -- but the numbers should roughly balance out for more schools. And the new methodology prevents schools from gaming the rankings by not inquiring as to the employment status of graduates they know to be unemployed, and subsequently leaving such graduates out of their reported statistics.

S. Freedman

Dan - how could you forget the Drexel Dragons??? We're in the NIT and are clearly superior to these other schools when using proper ranking methodology (drinking fountains per student, number of subway stops within 100 yards of front door, number of trolley stops within 100 yards of front door, number of Deans of Academic Fairs who previously taught at Alabama, percentage of law admissions professionals who live on Taney Street).

S. Freedman

Whoops, I meant Dean of Academic Affairs...but forgive me as I was trying to boost our rankings on percentage of blog posts with egregious typos.


@Rick Garnett: An architect is actually working and pulling down a paycheck. A doctoral student in English Literature is unemployed. Since law schools are professional schools, it makes sense to rank them according to employment outcomes.


Dayton should be replaced with Cleveland State, just sayin'.

Rick Garnett

Sebastian, I am afraid I do not agree that we should simply regard a law-school grad who, for whatever reason, has decided she also wants to study English as unemployed; she has made a life-path choice, just like the architect.

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