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September 06, 2010

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Mary Dudziak

This is all good advice. While schools will differ, having a PhD is an advantage with my school for candidates on the market. And in my field (legal history), some candidates without PhDs can compete with the JD/PhDs, but most do not fare as well. It's also the case, though, that for those with more academic training, more is expected. If I see an entry-level JD/PhD without substantial publications, or a lateral JD/PhD without a book (or the equivalent of a book for fields in which books aren't the norm), they don't compare as well with others. PhDs are expected to have something to show for it -- and it they don't it doesn't come off as a good sign regarding future productivity.

But the main reason to pursue a PhD has to be that you can't help yourself. You are so passionate about that field, that you just have to devote years of your life to it. For all the discussion about advantages/disadvantages on the job market, if you don't feel that way, don't do it.

David Case

Excellent post. I also went the Ph.D. route (after having been previously unsuccessful with the LL.M. route) and was very fortunate to be able to specifically tailor my course of study and my dissertation research and writing to a specific legal field. The fact that my Ph.D. was an interdisciplinary studies degree helped immensely in that regard, as well as the fact that my doctoral advisers understood and bought into the notion from the outset that my entire purpose in pursuing the degree was to break into the entry level law school teaching market. If the motivation for the Ph.D. is to improve your ability to compete in the legal teaching market, then you most certainly must be able to demonstrate to hiring committees how the doctoral work will add value to your future path as a law professor and scholar.

Matt Lister

I'd agree with most of this but would add some words of caution about this bit:

I already had a Masters degree, so the time-line to PhD completion was accelerated by four semesters.

I don't know about the regular practices in fields other than philosophy, but in philosophy this can't be taken as a matter of course. Many PhD programs in philosophy will, at most, let the applicant out of some distribution requirements because of MA work, but not out of course requirements in general. Some won't even go that far. Some programs will give some credit, but very few would give four semesters, I think. And, the likelihood of getting credit depends a lot on the relative (perceived) strengths of the MA program and the PhD program. There is a lot of variation here, even w/in philosophy, but this is something that applicants should investigate and not assume.

Anonymous Phd

As a faculty member who has been on the committees of a few aspiring law professors, I have a quick question about the first post. While it does vary by discipline, is it really critically important that an entry-level JD/PhD have "substantial publications?" I am not a JD or connected to the legal academy much but in my field, articles are nice but what you are supposed to have done during your PhD is write a dissertation - and that is what you get hired on.

I often have to advise students to stop spending their time working on conference papers and such and devote their energy to their dissertations. Is this wrong for a JD/PhD? I know I must be missing something, as I had a student get a great law job with a few articles but only a mediocre chapter of their dissertation done, and another who had a fabulous dissertation but no articles who fared poorly.

Such a norm would seem ridiculous from a scholarly point of view given what is needed to get even an interdisciplinary law review article published compared to a dissertation. But if this is the case, I want to be able to advise my students in their interests. Many thanks.

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