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Ann Bartow

I may be misunderstanding your point, but are you suggesting that when children are protituted or forced to perform in pornography, this is not rape?

According to this DOJ site: http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/prostitution.html

Among children and teens living on the streets in the United States, involvement in commercial sex activity is a problem of epidemic proportion. Approximately 55% of street girls engage in formal prostitution. Estes Report, Executive Summary at 7. Of the girls engaged in formal prostitution, about 75% worked for a pimp. Id. Pimp-controlled commercial sexual exploitation of children is linked to escort and massage services, private dancing, drinking and photographic clubs, major sporting and recreational events, major cultural events, conventions, and tourist destinations. Id. About one-fifth of these children become entangled in nationally organized crime networks and are trafficked nationally. Id. at 8. They are transported around the United States by a variety of means – cars, buses, vans, trucks or planes, Id., and are often provided counterfeit identification to use in the event of arrest. Id. The average age at which girls first become victims of prostitution is 12-14. Estes Report at 92. It is not only the girls on the streets that are affected -- for boys and transgender youth, the average age of entry into prostitution is 11-13. Id.

NB: I'm a death penalty opponent, without exceptions.

Dan Filler

Some of these cases certainly are rape, though others might be crimes short of rape. (Consensuality may not be an issue for young kids, but it may be for teens. It seems to me that that's why we treat statutory rape differently from rape. I understand that "consent" is a complicated concept, in many of the ways that it may be in the context of adult prostitution and porn as well.) In any case, I feel confident that you would not see legislatures suggesting death - or even life without parole - for most of these things, in large part because we do think they're different than what we understand to be included in the term rape. In that sense, the briefwriters are conflating concerns for the purpose of amping up statistical data supporting death.

Steve

"“child abuse and neglect have pervasive and long-lasting effects on children"

This is actually debatable. The empirical research so far has not supported the contention that child sex abuse invariably leads to psychopathology later in life.

That was what the Rind, at al. study was all about (and confirmed by others).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._%281998%29

See also: \">http://www.crimeandconsequences.com/2007/02/cycling_sexual_violence.html">\

Joe

Ann,

I see what you're getting at, but the report says "Among children and teens living on the streets in the United States, involvement in commercial sex activity is a problem of epidemic proportion." But how many children in this country are really living on the streets? To call something an epidemic means that there is a high risk to the population. Now, I know that the DOJ report is saying it's epidemic to children living on the streets, but they are also, I think, trying to imply that commercial sex activity is an epidemic in general - a false statement.

Frankly, many of the DOJ studies are weak and their conclusions overly broad.

Ann Bartow

Well Joe, if you clicked through the link in my previous comment, you'd have seen an estimate for how many children:

"Although comprehensive research to document the number of children engaged in prostitution in the United States is lacking, it is estimated that about 293,000 American youth are currently at risk of becoming victims of commercial sexual exploitation. Richard J. Estes and Neil Alan Weiner, Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U.S, Canada and Mexico, University of Pennsylvania, Executive Summary at 11-12 (2001) (available at http://caster.ssw.upenn.edu/~restes/CSEC.htm); see also Mia Spangenberg, Prostituted Youth in New York City: An Overview (available at http://www.ecpatusa.org/child_prosti_us.asp). The majority of American victims of commercial sexual exploitation tend to be runaway or thrown away youth who live on the streets who become victims of prostitution. Id. at 11-12. These children generally come from homes where they have been abused, or from families that have abandoned them, Richard J. Estes and Neil Alan Weiner, Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children in the U.S, Canada and Mexico, University of Pennsylvania, at 3 (2001) [hereinafter Estes Report], and often become involved in prostitution as a way to support themselves financially or to get the things they want or need. Id.

If you know of studies you consider more reliable, by all means post some links or reference data.

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