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November 13, 2016

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Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance King

Why do we need a WORHSHOP on teaching legal ethics? Seems pretty straightforward to me. Captain's Four Rules. Female clients or employees are not for sleeping with. 2. Client money is not to be used as your personal piggy bank. Co-mingling is a fancy term for STEALING. 3. Tell the truth. 4. Don't call anybody a moron. Mrs. Carswell watched one of these CLE ethics webinars with me and her response was classic: Duh!!!! If you don't know this stuff by the time your 9th birthday rolls around, you should be accepted to law school.

Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance King

That should read, "Shouldn't" be accepted to law school.

Bernie Burk

As a longtime practitioner and then teacher of legal ethics, I can say with great confidence that lawyers who insist that legal ethics is self-evident to any nine-year-old regularly acquire a special honorific: "Former Attorney."

Please note that the workshops at the conference should concern "interviewing, counseling, negotiation, fact development and analysis, trial practice, document drafting, conflict resolution, organization and management of legal work, collaboration, cultural competency and self-evaluation." Presumably accomplished in an ethical fashion.

As you were, Captain.

--Bernie

Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance King

Bernie,

As a twenty six year veteran and never having my ticket punched, I can say with some degree of confidence, ethics should be self-evident. To quote our new leader, "Believe me." It is not, unfortunately. Take a gander at the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission website IlARDC.org and click on complaints or perform a simple search. Most disciplinary actions fall into one of my 4 categories. Theft mainly. Even most conflict situations involves a greedy lawyer. Don't take money that doesn't belong to you that wasn't earned by you in a fair manner. One doesn't get their ticket punched for a mistake or an oops. It's bad faith.

VoteTrump

I rise to join the Captain. I also believe that ethics is self-evident. Do not co-mingle and do not lie. About sleeping with clients I am not sure that is unethical if she wants you why say no? Unless if course either party is married. And about calling names, this does happen to the best of us.

Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance King

VoteTrump:

As a two bill retail theft and three bill traffic attorney, 99% of my cases do not end with a "not guilty." A not so favorable result when the client expectation is that if you retain a shlepper lawyer like me for a couple of bills, that I will waive a wand and your Walmart retail theft matter will magically disappear. Hypothetically, of course, don't want to get Mrs. Carswell upset with me: Suppose I slept with said Wallyworld Retail theft client and she ends up with a guilty finding. She is pissed at me and then presents the BLUE DRESS to the attorney ethics commission. I now have to explain to them that I slept with a client? I respectfully dissent. Too much risk.

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