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March 30, 2013

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Anon

These numbers can be a bit misleading without salary data. Most students I know would take a $100K JD-Advantage job over a 50K JD-Required. Also, how are schools determining whether the JD is required? This seems open to manipulation by just asking employers to require a JD, or at least say it is an advantage.

Kevin Outterson

Consider revising this chart for school funding. For example, 128 of the GW grads were school funded in full time, long term jobs (how is that possible?). That's 22% of the class. Back them out, and GW falls from 81% to 59% employed FT JD Req/Pref.

Many schools have funded post-grad fellowship positions, including BU, and for many of these students they gain valuable experience and eventually a full time job. But many schools reported these positions as short term, not long term.

The ABA needs very clear guidelines on how school & university funded positions are reported. For example, it would be good to know how schools with "law firms" are reporting these specific students and how school supported fellowships can be "long term."

Ann Bartow

How can a law school have substantially more graduates in clerkships than it does in short term positions? What am I missing?

Anon

According to the ABA: "A short-term position is one that has a definite term of less than one year. Thus, a clerkship that has a definite term of one year or more is not a short-term position."

In other words, the ABA considers most clerkships to be long-term employment.

Anon

To expand on this:

"1) Employed – Bar Passage Required. A position in this category requires the graduate to pass a bar exam and to be licensed to practice law in one or more jurisdictions. . .Judicial clerkships are also included in this category."

"Long-term. A long-term position is one that does not have a definite or indefinite term of less than one year. It may have a definite length of time as long as the time is one year or longer."

So, clerkships are included in "long-term employment requiring bar passage," whether that makes sense or not.

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